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unnecessary caategories

I would avoid adding yyyy in rail transport categories where is no specific rail element in the picture. Station buildings picture without railway elements such as rail, platforms or trains, should only have local year categories. It is consistent with adding specific year categories only when needed, such as in File:Station Sloterdijk 2020 09.jpg(one for buses and a local one, but not rail).Smiley.toerist (talk) 10:22, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, @Smiley.toerist!

I can understand why you've removed the category year in rail transport from pictures where no specific parts of rail transport are visible. In the future, I will refrain from doing that. Nevertheless, there is also a category called Train stations in Germany photographed in 2020, a category that's not existing for the Netherlands. That's why I added the category year in rail transport, which is the upper category of Train stations in land photographed in year. I think this category would be suitable photographs of station buildings etc. Best regards -- Fantaglobe11 (talk) 21:18, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

day category does not replace regional year category

I reversed File:IJsselstein tramhalte Binnenstad 2021 4.jpg and other '2021 in Utrecht (province)' deletions.Smiley.toerist (talk) 08:04, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

@Smiley.toerist: Yes, I know that a day category doesn't replace a regional year category but the subcategory of a regional year category does. I removed the category 2021 in Utrecht (province) because its subcategory 2021 in tram transport in Utrecht (province) is already used. Kind regards -- Fantaglobe11 (talk) 14:52, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Kategorien

Hallo! Ich habe deine Änderungen im Stil von Revision of 704419551 gesehen. Danke! Wenn ich das sagen darf: Du machst dir das Leben zu schwer. Schau mal in den Benutereinstellungen nach dem Tool Cat-a-lot und aktiviere es. Damit kann man solche Änderungen in wenigen Sekunden machen. --XRay 💬 05:19, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Hallo XRay! Das ist ja äußerst freundlich! Vielen Dank für den Hinweis! Bisher wusste ich davon noch gar nichts, aber ich habe das Tool jetzt aktiviert und hoffe, es bald benutzen zu können. Herzlichen Dank nochmals! Viele Grüße -- Fantaglobe11 (talk) 20:05, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Extra categories for file Amsteltram bridge over N201 in progress.jpg

Hi Fantaglobe11, I saw you added extra categories for this file. Did I do anything wrong here? I would have thought that just the cat Tramline 25 in Amsterdam (from 2020) would be sufficient. Always eager to learn.;) Regards, MartinD (talk) 08:38, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Hey @MartinD! No, you didn't do anything wrong. I just thought that it would be fine to add some categories, because they seemed suitable to me. For example, your picture also showed a (future) bridge, that's still under construction. Therefore, I added categories like Construction sites in North Holland. Best regards -- Fantaglobe11 (talk) 19:57, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! The tram line is still under construction, I expect to take a photo every now and then. I'll restrict muself to the Tramline 25 cat, and leave te rest to you. ;) Cheers! MartinD (talk) 20:04, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Oh yes! I visited Uithoorn during the "Dag van de Bouw 2022" and also took some photos. Anyway, I would be very glad to see the further development of the construction works in your photos. I hope to stay tuned. Have a nice week -- Fantaglobe11 (talk) 20:13, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

File:20220525.Amsterdam.Radwege.-025.jpg

Danke für Deine Hilfe - echt Klasse!@ Bybbisch94 (talk) 00:38, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Hallo Bybbisch94, sehr gerne! Ich helfe, wo ich kann. Schönen Abend und viele Grüße -- Fantaglobe11 (talk) 18:10, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Local tram year categories

I agree that Uithoorn is not Amsterdam, but neither is Amstelveen or Diemen where Amsterdam trams also run. For the Hague and Utrecht I use larger areas such as Haaglanden (includes Zoetermeer, Delft, Rijswijk, Leidschendam-Voorburg) or Utrecht province. Rotterdam also have trams outside the city limits. As a rule I think it is more practical to incorporate the small extentions outside the city limits. Uithoorn is however quite far outside the city limits. But nl:Metropoolregio Amsterdam is quite large and confusing.Smiley.toerist (talk) 00:27, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

I think Smiley.toerist is correct here. The distance between Amsterdam and Uithoorn is, at any rate in the perception of inhabitants of Amsterdam, considerable. Uithoorn is even outside the "Ring" (nl:Rijksweg 10), a psychological border a true-blooded Amsterdammer will not cross except in dire emergencies. Disclosure: I live in Uithoorn.;) Kind regards, MartinD (talk) 13:33, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello Smiley.toerist and MartinD! I also tried to remove the pictures from Amstelveen or Diemen from the category:2022 in tram transport in Amsterdam. At least, I think there was one from Amstelveen that I removed. Categories ending in "Haaglanden" or "Utrecht (province)" are a proper solution. I understand that those small extensions are quite annoying. Nevertheless, two municipalities as Amsterdam and Uithoorn or Rotterdam and Schiedam stay two municipalities. That's at least what I think. As a solution for Amsterdam, the nl:Vervoerregio Amsterdam could be another option. It's a bit smaller than the Metropoolregio, after all. Best regards -- Fantaglobe11 (talk) 14:51, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi Fantaglobe11, thank you! Yes, Uithoorn is indeed a separate municipality - and we intend to stay a separate municipality.;)

Hi MartinD! That is great and I hope you will for a long time. For this reason, I tried to separate the tram pictures in Amsterdam from those ones taken in Uithoorn, Amstelveen etc. Best regards -- Fantaglobe11 (talk) 13:41, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Kind regards, MartinD (talk) 09:15, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

New file name format

Hi Fantaglobe, why would you want to do that? I think the categories they are in show harmonious filenames. I adapted the naming of my images sometimes to the existing conventions in the categories. Like Bahnhof Bedburg-Hau. For the categories it seems not needed to rename anything. And there are no errors that need to be fixed. What is your purpose with this? Especially : why start with the date tag suddenly and not put the date tag after the topic name? Is there any database logic behind that? Or is it just some kind of vanity so that they will always be the first pics on the category page? I think that can be seen as unfair naming in some or most of the cases. I think the topic should be first part of the naming appearing under the miniatures. The production date is usually secondary to that and often less relevant to most other users. If they are all in a single cat named like 'Station X by Fantaglobe' it seems completely ok, but they will often be in a some extra cats too. Peli (talk) 11:47, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Pelikana! In general, I understand the various points you're making. However, I want to react to all of your questions and statements and explain you my point of view:

• I adapted the naming of my images sometimes to the existing conventions in the categories. Like Bahnhof Bedburg-Hau. I simply try to find a meaningful and logical file name for every category. Mainly, I adapt the file's names to a country's language, so it fits better with the photographed object. Furthermore, there often isn't a certain structure of file names in different categories. That's why, I use my "own" structure.
• Why start with the date tag suddenly and not put the date tag after the topic name? Personally, it's more useful to get a direct overview of the pictures in a category. As you can see, I mostly take photographs of buildings and infrastructure. For me, it's easier to find a current picture in a category in this way.
• Is there any database logic behind that? I either don't get your question right or don't have a database logic behind it. Could you please specify your question?
• Or is it just some kind of vanity so that they will always be the first pics on the category page? No. I didn't even think about that. Now, I have to say that I feel kind of embarrassed, because you think that it could be vanity. For sure, that's not what I wanted it to be.
• I think that can be seen as unfair naming in some or most of the cases. I wouldn't say, that it is unfair. You don't have stop scrolling through a categories after two rows or whatever. If you really want to search for a good or useful picture, you will sift through the entire category.
• The production date is usually secondary to that and often less relevant to most other users. That depends on someone's point of view. As I explained in the third paragraph, I think it's important to segregate the pictures of a categories by their dates.

Finally, I didn't choose criterion 1 for nothing. All in all, it was an "original uploader’s request". I didn't worsen the name's. That's at least what I think. Have a nice evening and very kind regards -- Fantaglobe11 (talk) 18:02, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Fantaglobe. Sorry if your workflow was possibly disrupted due to my questions here. I did not mean to disturb in such a way. Thanks for your response.

About database logic: Now in broader cats (like cat: all your images) two images of Bahnhof x, don't automatically appear on the same line, next to each other, since one might be taken years before the other one. In database logic you don't name two very similar images of the same series as "Horse and tree" and the other as "Tree and horse", because they will be very far apart alphabetically. You just stick to one name and add a serial number.

The approach of starting with numbers vaguely reminded me of file name experiments by user FH who clearly was testing ways to get his images to the top always and at any cost, like using numbers and starting with the letter A. (But it is much more the excessive naming combined with undue overcategorizing he did, that makes me sick looking at them.) I was kind of worried that by his example file naming would become a sort of competition for the number-one place in any cat. And that from now on we could only use dots, exclamation marks and empty spaces, to get a file on top above file names starting with numbers. Whereas letters offer much more playroom to give files a spot in the category.

I look at this at the level of making nice and coherent categories. I checked cat Bahnhof Bedburg-Hau which now starts with a train on a railroad, not with the building. Nothing to really worry about. I admit that I play with this 'order of appearance' sometimes, but only very carefully looking at one cat at a time. And I am aware that it can change with any new upload into that category and that it will not be carved in stone. And that it can be overriden by using some hidden code.

Just my two pence. Best Regards Peli (talk) 23:40, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Pelikana! No way – you didn't interrupted my workflow at all. I think your matter is worth spending some time on thinking about it and answering it. So, there's no need to worry.

Oh, I see! Now, I understand your thoughts about the database logic. Yes, that's a good point! As far as I can see, my own category would be the only category that's affected by this problem. Or am I wrong?

Hopefully not! It would be horrible, if everyone tried to put his pictures in the first place. But, I hope that you'd agree that dates are a better solution than symbol like an exclamation mark or something else. I still believe it is.

Of course, I already met the pictures of FH. Until now, the long file names were the only strange thing I noted. However, I know what you mean. There's a certain trend to be seen.

Okay, that's a nice target you've set yourself. I think every category is different, so it would be very difficult for me to adapt to each one. Also, some or many categories don't have a sensible name structure. Therefore, giving my images a meaningful file name is more important to me. You're also right that some categories have a hidden sorting structure. For example, the user Smiley.toerist likes sorting categories by the creation date of its pictures. Maybe, this has also been an inspiration for me to rename my files. Thanks for the friendly and constructive talk! Kind regards -- Fantaglobe11 (talk) 17:36, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Autopatrol given

Hello. I just wanted to let you know that I have granted autopatrol rights to your account; the reason for this is that I believe you are sufficiently trustworthy and experienced to have your contributions automatically marked as "reviewed". This has no effect on your editing, it is simply intended to make it easier for users that are monitoring Recent changes or Recent uploads to find unproductive edits amidst the productive ones like yours. In addition, the Flickr upload feature and an increased number of batch-uploads in UploadWizard, uploading of freely licensed MP3 files, overwriting files uploaded by others and an increased limit for page renames per minute are now available to you. Thank you. —‍Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 21:41, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Swimming pool

Swimming pool?

Doesn't really look like a swimming pool, does it? The building Sport Centre 't Wooldrik in Borne houses one swimming pool and two large halls, used for volleyball, basketball, (indoor) football and chess.Vysotsky (talk) 22:38, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

I will make a new category 't Wooldrik (Borne) in which I will incorporate all relevant categories. Vysotsky (talk) 22:52, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi,Vysotsky! I agree, that the swimming pool cannot be seen on the picture Borne19.JPG. However, I am not the person, who added this category. So, why did you add this category, although the pool can't be seen on the photograph?

Also, I wanted to explain you within my edit summary that the category Swimming pools in Overijssel is a subcategory of the category Sports venues in the Netherlands, i. e. that the first one's subordinate to the second one. Still, your new category 't Wooldrik (Borne) also includes both categories. Let me give an example to you to get this right: If you upload a picture of Borne train station, you could add it to the categories Train stations, Railway stations in Europe, Train stations in the Netherlands, Train stations in Overijssel and finally Station Borne. Personally, I think that this behaviour would lead to a chaotic image database, don't you think? Kind regards, -- Fantaglobe11 (talk) 20:23, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

I beg to differ. The problem is that sports venue 't Wooldrik both houses a swimming pool and two halls, used for a variety of sports: handball, badminton, volleyball, basketball etc. In order to express this last usage, I added category:Sports venues in the Netherlands. That is really different from your example ("down the category tree") whereas my example is trying to express the existence of two level branches. But OK, I'll change Category:Sports venues in the Netherlands to Category:Sports parks in the Netherlands‎ - as 't Wooldrik also harbours several outside tennis lawns. Vysotsky (talk) 21:15, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello,Vysotsky. Now, I get the problem you're confronting. That's also quite a mandatory consequence of our hierarchical category system. Isn't there a category like "Sports hall in ...", is there? Nevertheless, thank you for your understanding and willingness to compromise. Have a nice evening and kind regards -- Fantaglobe11 (talk) 18:36, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Rail vehicle doors by type

Please do not remove the 'Rail vehicle doors by type' categories from train type categories. I am buzy classifying the train door types. Once a train type is identified as having a type of door, then the whole category can be put under the door type category. Often the door type is not visible with closed doors, so it is much easier to determine the door type used for this train material with an picture of an open door. Door types is an integral part of the train type specification. All trains have doors. I could have created categories Trains with x type doors but this would confusing. Otherwise I would have to massively add a door type to individual files. I have reverted the changes. This can cost me a massive amount of work, if I have to refind all the train type categories with a type of door.Smiley.toerist (talk) 12:33, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

@Smiley.toerist: But this categorization doesn't make any sense... I'm sorry. Would you really want to put a train into like 50 categories, because all these components are included? I think this would be massively confusing. The train category often doesn't show the details, like a door, at all; it shows the train as a whole. Your statement that it would be "a massiv amount of work" just sounds strange to me, because you obviously want to save work for yourself. I really have to say that working on Commons mostly means work. Moreover, you have to be consequent: Do not double-categorize images like: File:'S-Hertogenbosch Station, Netherlands, Jan. 2007 (352711376).jpg. I apologize in advance for my strict tone, but I was kinda surprised by your message, that was followed by your reverts without expecting my answer. Have a nice evening though and kindest regards -- Fantaglobe11 (talk) 16:53, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Sortierung bei den Dekaden im Jahrhundert in Hoeksche Waard

Hi Fantaglobe11, du hast bei den Dekaden in Hoeksche Waard das Jahrzehnt (ohne Jahrhundert) als Sortierkriterium im Jahrhundert angegeben "...21st century|00]" statt bisher "...21st century| 2000]". Das ist eher ungewöhnlich. Normalerweise wird die 2. Form verwendet und ich würde die 2. Form auf bevorzugen. Ich finde, es bringt auch keine zusätzliche Übersichtlichkeit. Wenn ich z.B. an das 20. Jahrhundert denke dann hab ich bei deiner Form 10 "Überschriften" mit jeweils einem Unterpunkt. Kannst du dir vorstellen, das wieder auf die "alte" Form umzustellen? Gruß Bardenoki (talk) 17:29, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Bardenoki! Klar, das kann ich gerne wieder anpassen. Wenn du mir das so schilderst, ergibt das schon Sinn. Ich erledige das direkt. Danke für den Einwand! Deine andere Perspektive hat mir weitergeholfen. Ich wünsche dir einen schönen Abend. Viele Grüße -- Fantaglobe11 (talk) 18:11, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Monuments and memorials

Hi Fanta, ik verbaas me een beetje over de actie van het verwijderen van de Categorie:Memorials in ... Volgens mij kan dat best een geldige subcategorie zijn. Maar als het dan wordt Monuments and memorials in ... moeten dan niet ook de cats gemeentelijke en rijksmonumenten daarin opgenomen worden? En moet die cat dan niet ook in History of ... en in Culture of ... opgenomen zijn? Ik zie wel dat het in vele plaatsen op verschillende manieren gehandhaafd wordt, of niet compleet uitgewerkt is, maar niet de dwingende noodzaak om cat:memorials in .. te verwijderen. Hierin zijn vaak gedenkkruizen, plaquettes en oorlogsmonumenten opgenomen. In Duitsland noemt men geregistreerde monumentale bomen 'natuurlijke monumenten'. Waar verblijven de cultural heritage monuments? Moet dat allemaal weer doorelkaar? Het lijkt er voor mij een beetje op dat hier een tamelijk specifieke ondercat wordt opgeheven om de inhoud weer in een veel algemenere koepelcat te plaatsen. M.vr. groet Peli (talk) 10:18, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hoi Pelikana, de categorie Memorials in ... wordt eigenlijk helemaal niet beheerd. Zie hiervoor bijvoorbeeld Memorials in the Netherlands en zelfs Memorials in Germany. Deze verwijzen allebei naar Monuments and memorials in .... Daarom heb ik volgens de hiërarchie (zie ook Commons:Categories) de categorieën Memorials in ... hernoemd naar Monuments and memorials in ..., omdat dit de geldige naam voor deze categorie is. Graag hoor ik wederom jouw feedback. Fijn weekend! Vriendelijk groet, Fantaglobe11 (talk) 14:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Re: Why I moved those subcategories up

Hi Fanta,

"Streets of Drimmelen" and "Maps of Drimmelen" are subcategories I expect to find in "Geography of Drimmelen", because those categories pertain only to the geography of the place. But a category that covers a whole entire village is not just about its physical location - it's also about its history, culture, and so on. So putting e.g. Hooge Zwaluwe right below Drimmelen fits (and it's also where I'd expect to find it). The first images in that category are about its flag and seal, which have nothing to do with the geography of Drimmelen. Similar examples can be found in all the other subcategories as well. ReneeWrites (talk) 20:20, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

@ReneeWrites: Now, I really understand what intention has been. That's actually a problem, because places like Hooge Zwaluwe normally would fit in the category Populated places in Drimmelen (e.g.), which would be a subcategory of Geography of Drimmelen. In my opinion, it would be the best solution to create the corresponding subcategories like History of Hooge Zwaluwe or Culture of Hooge Zwaluwe, that are subcategories to History of Drimmelen or Culture of Drimmelen. What do you think about it? Kind regards -- Fantaglobe11 (talk) 16:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Vandalismus?

Könntest Du wohl mal den blinden Vandalismus stoppen? Wenn Du unbedingt Aufnahmedatum-in-Bundesland-Kategorien in Fotos setzen musst, ist das nicht verboten, aber das Entfernen der deutschlandweiten Kategorie geht garnicht. Der Fotograf bzw. Hochlader hat sich irgendwas dabei gedacht. Es gibt weder eine Kategoriehierarchie noch eine Regel bei dieser Art Kategorien. Es sind reine Spielerein und damit dem speziellen Geschmack einzelner Kollegen unterworfen. Der nächste will das Ganze in Landkreis- der übernächste in Gemeindekategorien einsortieren. Zuletzt landet man dann sicher bei der Kat Aufnahmen am 26. 5.2024 in Oberstrunzenöd-Südost. Die französischen Kollegen haben z.B. einen anderen Weg vorgezeichnet. Dort gibt es Monat-in-Stadt-Kategorien wie :Category:July 2021 in Colmar. Und in den allermeisten Ländern Europas gibt es überhaupt keine Aufnahmedatum-in-Verwaltungseinheit-Kategorien. Gruß Rauenstein (talk) 19:52, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Um direkt eine Antwort auf deine Frage im Betreff zu geben: Nein. Ich habe ausführlich auf deiner Diskussionsseite erklärt, wieso ich deine Zurücksetzungen nicht gutheiße. Wenn es dir nicht möglich ist, mir innerhalb von drei Wochen eine Antwort zu geben, macht das auf mich nicht den Eindruck, als möchtest du meiner Argumentation widersprechen. Außerdem gibt es sehr wohl ein hierarchisches Prinzip für Kategorien. Sicherlich nicht umsonst würde ich sonst die entsprechende Seite verlinken. Darüber hinaus bitte ich dich darum mir mitzuteilen, was genau du dir dabei gedacht hast. Anstatt hier im Dunkeln gelassen zu werden, würde ich mir wünschen, dass du mir dein stichhaltiges Argument doch gerne ausführst. Zudem bleibt es mir schleierhaft, warum du nun auf meiner Diskussionsseite dafür einen neuen Abschnitt eröffnen musstest. Viele Grüße -- Fantaglobe11 (talk) 17:13, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Natürlich sind die Kategorien auf commons hierarchisch aufgebaut. Ob das bei Spaß- und Geschmackskategorien gültig sein soll, bezweifle ich aber stark. Als ich begann, die von mir hochgeladenen Fotos (einige tausend) einheitlich in den Kategorienbaum :Category:Photographs by date by country einzusortieren, gab es diesen bereits und er wurde von sehr vielen usern genutzt. Ein Kategorienbaum :Category:Photographs of North Rhine-Westphalia by date existierte damals (noch) nicht. Das war schon alles, was ich mir dabei damals dachte :-) Natürlich war klar, dass die reinen Kategorieschubser es dabei nicht belassen konnten; es entstanden u.a. die Katbäume Photographs of North Rhine-Westphalia by century‎, Photographs of North Rhine-Westphalia by decade‎, Photographs of North Rhine-Westphalia by year‎ oder Photographs of North Rhine-Westphalia by date by district‎ - Ende offen, was die Kleinteiligkeit betrifft. Mal an einem Beispiel festgemacht: Für das Foto :File:Werfen, Haus Zum Werferstein 53.jpg (ein Baudenkmal) musste ich weit fahren und als halbseitig Gelähmter auch einige Zeit mit dem Rollstuhl umhersuchen und mich mit den Leuten vor Ort herumärgern (Wat machen Sie hier Fotos, dat ess verboten? - Dat Haus iis niet zu verkaufen! - Die öffentlische Straße han iisch bezahlt, können se mal aufen Amt nachfragen. usw.); in Dattenfeld hat mir jemand seinen Dobermann geschickt mit den Worten Mal kuhken, wat der Hasso von Wikipedia-Fotos hält - ganz furchtbares Volk im Bergischen Land, könnt ich ein Buch drüber schreiben. Irgendwann später zuhause weit weg von NRW bearbeitet man die Bilder, lädt sie hoch, setzt sie in die Denkmallisten und kümmert sich um die korrekte Kategorisierung. Und irgendwann kommt einer daher, der mir erklärt, dass die Kategorie Foto nach Datum in Deutschland falsch sei und rausgeschmissen werden muss...

Kompromissvorschlag: Du kannst weiterhin die Datum-in-NRW-Kats in die Fotos setzen, ohne die Datum-in-Deutschland-Kats rauszuschmeißen und ich revertiere Deine Aktionen nicht mehr. Was meine Diskseite betrifft, in den letzten Wochen war einfach zuviel los im RL und das Thema war mir ehrlich gesagt nicht so wichtig. Gruß Rauenstein (talk) 17:15, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Guten Abend, Rauenstein! Vielen lieben Dank für deine ausführliche Antwort. Bei deinen Geschichten würde ich mich tatsächlich irgendwann fragen, ob es sich überhaupt noch lohnt, diese Mühen dafür in Kauf zu nehmen. Auf dem Land sind die Menschen da offensichtlich noch etwas skeptischer uns gegenüber. An dieser Stelle drücke ich dir da für deine Beharrlichkeit meinen Respekt aus. Selbst an öffentlichen Bahnhöfen – wo ich mich derzeit überwiegend aufhalte – hat man es da manchmal auch nicht besser.
Ich verstehe nun auch, was du dir dabei gedacht hast. Teilweise geht die Kategorisierung sogar so weit, dass man solche Kategorien wie Ermelo photographs taken on 2021-12-14 erhält. Derartiges geht mir tatsächlich auch zu weit. Jedoch tue ich mich mit einer doppelten Kategorisierung schwer, wie du sie als Kompromiss vorgeschlagen hast, weil man hiermit so weit gehen könnte, eine Überkategorisierung eines einzelnen Fotos zu rechtfertigen, sodass ein Foto sowohl in mehreren Über- als auch Unterkategorien zu finden wäre. Beispiel: Ich lade ein Foto des Düsseldorfer Hauptbahnhofes hoch und füge es anschließend den Kategorien Train stations, Railway stations in Europe, Train stations in Germany, Train stations in North Rhine-Westphalia, Train stations in Düsseldorf sowie Düsseldorf Hauptbahnhof hinzu. Dabei würde lediglich Düsseldorf Hauptbahnhof als Kategorie genügen. Ich hoffe, dass du verstehst, welche Problematik ich dahinter sehe. Abschließend entschuldige ich mich für meinen Ton eingangs, der rückblickend etwas zu harsch gewesen ist. Schönen Restfeiertag und viele Grüße -- Fantaglobe11 (talk) 19:34, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Bahnstrecke Kleve-Nijmegen

In Nijmegen Heyendaal station, there was a separate track of the railway line Kleve-Nijmegen. (this track went al the way to Nijmegen station) This track is now broken up, but in 1991 it was stil active and used by the Nijmegen Kleve trains. So the category Bahnstrecke Kleve-Nijmegen should be used. Certainly for File:Nijmegen Heyendaal Duitse trein 1991 1.jpg and File:Nijmegen Heyendaal Duitse trein 1991 2.jpg, wich are line photographs and not station photographs (so have no upper category).Smiley.toerist (talk) 10:39, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Smiley.toerist, thank you for giving me a feedback on my removal. I see that you've already moved both files from Category:Station Nijmegen Heyendaal to Category:Bahnstrecke Kleve-Nijmegen. In my opinion, this is an absolute fine solution. However, both images are also added to the Category:048 Nijmegen Grens (Groesbeek)-Nijmegen, which is a subcategory of Category:Bahnstrecke Kleve-Nijmegen. Should we move Category:Bahnstrecke Kleve-Nijmegen, because those files are added to its subcategory, shouldn't we? Kind regards, Fantaglobe11 (talk) 10:56, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

The Category:Railway lines in the Netherlands by Geocode exist but are little used (and known) and are mostly used for historic stations and railway lines. It would not be desirable to move all files to these subcategories, but only use them as a supplementary category. Smiley.toerist (talk) 11:07, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I absolutely agree with you. In the beginning, I also didn't understand the use of these categories. However, I began sorting images into these categories. Still, I cannot think of a useful reason why they've been created. They totally destroy the hierarchical structure of categories, because there are so many double categorizations of stations into both of these categories. I also think that the Category:Railway lines in the Netherlands by Geocode isn't really helpful, especially with regard to externals – non-Commons users. -- Fantaglobe11 (talk) 12:05, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Train in Valkenburg

Warum hast du drei Kategorien hier gelöscht? Das Foto enthält einen Zug. Was siend die Regeln über Kategorien und Züge in der Ferne? Sneeuwvlakte (talk) 17:20, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Hallo @Sneeuwvlakte, meiner Meinung nach kann man hierbei nicht von einem Zugfoto sprechen. Der Zug steht nicht im Fokus des Fotos, das sind vielmehr die Mauern und die Aussicht über Valkenburg an sich. So ein Foto lässt sich daher nicht für das Unternehmen Arriva, die Baureihe Stadler GTW oder die Zuggattung Stoptrein verwenden. Man müsste viel zu lang nach dem Objekt suchen.

Außerdem denke ich, dass die Diskussion bei der Datei selbst besser aufgehoben gewesen wäre, da es schließlich um dieses geht.

Viele Grüße Fantaglobe11 (talk) 17:44, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Danke! Ich habe etwas Neues gelernt. Sneeuwvlakte (talk) 18:29, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Hallo @Sneeuwvlakte, das freut mich zu hören. Lass mir gerne jederzeit dein Feedback zukommen, falls etwas unklar ist. Ich helfe gerne und wünsche dir eine schöne Woche. Viele Grüße Fantaglobe11 (talk) 20:27, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Optimized

Hoi Fantaglobe. Wat is de bedoeling ervan om de categorie 'Geography of' buiten de lijstjes te plaatsen onder de letter G? Als je begrijpt wat ik bedoel. In een steekproef vergelijkend met enkele plaatsen in andere deelstaten (plaatsen als Kiel en Papenburg) staat geography of meestal direct bovenaan, tussen Economy en History. Nu lijkt het erop dat je deze lijsten wilt gaan opheffen en Geography en Transport er buiten aan het plaatsen bent. Bijvoorbeeld kijkend naar Category:Kranenburg lijkt het erop dat deze twee dingen niet op hun plaats staan. Zelf vind ik het prettiger als onder de letters alleen maar de uitzonderlijke dingen staan. Zoals Geldener Fleuth in Geldern. Ik zie geen goede reden dat op grote schaal te gaan veranderen. Wel zie ik dat het voor Amsterdam anders ingericht is, meer volgens jouw systeem, maar dat is dan ook Nederland en ieder land (of Kreis) mag dit anders doen. Aachen Köln en Düsseldorf hanteren wel jouw systeem maar Kassel dan weer niet. Het lijkt erop dat hoe meer mensen zich ermee bemoeien hoe minder consensus erover is. Om het voor grote plaatsen weer helemaal in uiterste consequentie om te gooien heeft kennelijk niemand zin in. Maar bij kleine plaatsen zijn de compacte 'lijstjes' zonder een losse letterkop erboven best overzichtelijk n.m.m. Dus de vraag blijft waarom voor plaatsen in Kreis Kleve opeens een onregelmatigheid te introduceren. Wat al goed is hoeft niet verbeterd. Het nadeel van de letterkopjes bijvoorbeeld in Amsterdam is dat daar cat Transport wordt weggeduwd door cat 'Ten Days off' (de waarschijnlijk onder een algemene subcat Cultuur had moeten staan). Het levert volgens mij uiteindelijk bij grote plaatsen met vele uitzonderlijke categrorien langer zoeken op wanneer algemene plaatscats onder letterskopjes staan. Bij systeem zonder al te veel lettekopjes zou zoiets als cat:Ten Days off direct opvallen als element buiten de systematiek en dus veel makkelijker te vinden als aandachtspunt voor een todo list van herstel van systematiek. M.vr.gr. Peli (talk) 09:34, 21 February 2025 (UTC) 33

Hoi @Peli, ik begrijp heel goed wat je bedoelt.

Gisteren vermoedde ik al dat mijn bewerking waarschijnlijk wrevel zou veroorzaken. Ik vind het zelfs met kleine categorieën zoals Category:Kranenburg verwarrend als de subcategorieën als een blok worden gesorteerd. Ik denk dat het veel logischer is om de categorieën te sorteren onder de corresponderende letters, zodat je ze sneller kunt vinden. Ik kan begrijpen waarom een speciale categorie zoals Category:Gelderner Fleuth, die niet kan worden toegewezen aan een subcategorie, meteen moet opvallen. Dit is echter eerder een teken dat het zinvol zou zijn om hier een algemene subcategorie voor te maken. Bovendien is de categorie een goed voorbeeld van overcategorisering (zie ook COM:OVERCAT), aangezien het is gecategoriseerd in zowel Category:Geldern als Category:Nature of Geldern. Ik heb de fout al gecorrigeerd.

Om ter zake te komen: Ik vind alfabetisch sorteren veel handiger om sneller categorieën te vinden. Category:Aaachen is hier een goed voorbeeld van.

Ik kijk uit naar jouw feedback hierover.

Vriendelijk groet, Fantaglobe11 (talk) 15:20, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

@Peli: Ik had graag je antwoord op mijn bericht ontvangen. Ik vind het erg respectloos dat je mijn wijzigingen verandert zonder rekening te houden met mijn bericht. Dat is absoluut niet de bedoeling van een discussie. Ik wil je daarom vragen om hier te reageren. Vriendelijk groet, Fantaglobe11 (talk) 11:49, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Na BWC

Hoi Fantaglobe. Vandaag heb ik als antwoord wat betreft Kreis Kleve alles maar weer ingericht volgens het systeem dat al sinds 2008 zonder problemen funktioneert. Dus met compacte alfabethische lijstjes. Volgens mij ontstaat er juist verwarring wanneer een eenduidig systeem opeens een hybride mengvorm wordt waardoor onduidelijk wordt welk systeem men gebruiken moet. Als ik cats als Drenthe en Assen vergelijk met plaatsen in Kreis Wesel, zie ik dat de Duitse aanpak systematischer verzorgd is en overzichtelijker. Ik beschouw het als een meer geavanceerde aanpak, vooral voor onderhoud; niet persé voor het vinden van een bepaald plaatje door leken, omdat direct te zien is waar dingen door amateurs niet op hun plaats gezet zijn. Maar voor bijvoorbeeld Nijmegen zou ik het niet gaan veranderen dat het daar wel met tussenkopjes A B C gebeurt. Naar mijn overtuiging zijn de Letters als tussenkopje pas functioneel wanneer het om grote massa's gaat zoals Painters from Germany by name. In kleine categorien, waar alles op een pagina past, zijn nmm de compacte alfabethische lijstjes sneller te overzien en komen de afbeeldingen hoger op de pagina in het zicht. Ik richt me hier vooral, zeg maar uitsluitend, op Kreis Kleve. Hoe het elders werkt, maakt me niet veel uit. Iedere streek zou wel een wikipediaan moeten kunnen hebben die zich in het bijzonder voor zijn omgeving inzet. Hoewel mijn vingers al beginnen te jeuken om Drenthe en Assen onder handen te nemen, sluit ik gewoon die pagina's met de conclusie: 'dat is niet mijn klus'. Zo ook Kreis Wesel en verderop. Met vriendelijke Groet Peli (talk) 12:27, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Hoi @Peli, hartelijk dank voor je verlate reactie.

Het gaat er niet om of een categorie door (grotendeels) een gebruiker wordt onderhouden. Je lijkt de indruk te willen wekken dat deze categorie alleen bewerkt mag worden volgens jouw regels, wat natuurlijk niet het geval is.

Ik kan argumenten als “dat al sinds 2008 zonder problemen funktioneert” en “Hoe het elders werkt, maakt me niet veel uit.” niet accepteren. Vooral dat laatste klinkt alsof het je niets zou uitmaken als meer dan 90% van alle categorieën alfabetisch gesorteerd zou zijn. Ik zou dat uiterst twijfelachtig vinden.

Het wordt vooral verwarrend als een gestandaardiseerd systeem wordt vernietigd door afwijkingen. Daarom probeer ik dit soort dingen zoveel mogelijk te vereenvoudigen. Het Kreis Kleve is daarom hier meer een uitzondering, vergeleken met voorbeelden zoals Cologne, Düsseldorf, Aachen of zelfs het Kreis Wesel.

Helaas maakte ik de fout om slechts twee categorieën (namelijk Geography of en Transport of) aan te pakken in plaats van alles gelijkmatig te veranderen.

Vriendelijk groet, Fantaglobe11 (talk) 16:00, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Hoi Fantaglobe, bedankt voor je bijdragen en de wijsheid van je 'fout' . Peli (talk) 11:35, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Landkreis_Emsland with all of its local subcats is a perfect example of a strictly systematic and well done alphabethical piped categorisation system which we followed for almost all levels of cats and subcats in Kreis Kleve since 2008. All I am asking you to respect where this is the case, and not start a private crusade in double-crossing a valid and legal system of categorisation in this area. This means just following the law of 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it'. Thank you. Peli (talk) 17:19, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Hoi @Peli, bedankt voor je redactie!

Helaas zie ik het nut er niet meer van in om verder met je in discussie te gaan, omdat je absoluut niet reageert op de argumenten die ik heb aangevoerd.

Bovendien zijn we hier op Commons en niet in de Nederlandse of Engelse Wikipedia.

Ik voldoe echter graag aan je verzoek en wens je alvast een prettig weekend.

Vriendelijk groet, Fantaglobe11 (talk) 16:42, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Automaten NL

We will receive quite a lot (relatively) of new images of vending machines through our Dutch version of Wiki Loves Automaten, and I already notice you working on them. Just know I plan to also attend to better categorization of these images once I have time! I appreciate your work, thanks. Ciell (talk) 19:53, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Ciell, thanks for letting me know! I am just doing my standard categorization on these images, containing the categories for the date in the Netherlands of the photograph and the year in the province/municipality of the photograph. But I agree with you, a better categorization can never hurt. Best regards, Fantaglobe11 (talk) 20:13, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

What do you use as basis for categorization of municipalities? I noticed you miscategorized my personal images in a category for a neighboring municipality.

And also fyi, the uploadcampaign asks for the uploader to optionally also add the location through structured data, so this might be helpful for your work. I anticipated on forehand on having to categorize the administrative location of the vending machine in the photograph, and hope this will make categorization easier. Ciell (talk) 09:09, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

I always use the coordinates for my categorization, if these are specified. This is the most precise way to know which category should be added. In this case, I guess the miscategorization was due to wrong coordinates. Best regards, Fantaglobe11 (talk) 10:47, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

That's an interesting one, because I turned on the coordinates for images from my mobile phone for this exact reason (preserving the image metadata), and when I opened them in OS to check, they are correct. Ciell (talk) 06:26, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

Which of your personal images were miscategorized? I am also curious what I could have done wrong here. Fantaglobe11 (talk) 16:48, 21 August 2025 (UTC)

Sure. These photographs were taken in Corle, which is in the municipality of Winterswijk, not in Oost-Gelre.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. I'm curious what happened here. Ciell (talk) 09:17, 25 August 2025 (UTC)

If you stick to the coordinates given, you will see that this ground belongs to Vragender, municipality of Oost Gelre. See Google Maps. This is the way how I find out correctly. That's why I always use coordinates, simply because it's more accurate. Fantaglobe11 (talk) 15:47, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed your reply. If you look at the map in OSM, you can see the municipal border, the dotted lines. OSM correctly states that the photograph was taken in Corle, and Corle is part of Winterswijk. I'm not sure where I can turn on the borders in Google maps? Ciell (talk) 15:30, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

OSM clearly states that your coordinates are located in Vragender, Oost Gelre. Please have a look at your coordinates 51.972301, 6.645698. The coordinates are located west of the municipal border and therefore belong to Oost Gelre.

You cannot activate the municipal borders in Google Maps. However, there are two options to find out municipal affiliation: 1. If you search for coordinates or click on a specific position, Maps will show the populated place the coordinates belong to. 2. You can search for "Oost Gelre" or "Winterswijk" in Maps and you will see the municipal borders. Fantaglobe11 (talk) 10:28, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

Categories by decade

Hiya, I noticed that you took issue with somebody changing Category:Appingedam in the 1990s to use {{Decade by category}} instead of {{Places by decade}}. However, my issue with the latter template is that it's just too broad.

Is there any way you can create a "Dutch municipalities" template along the lines of {{DistrictsBerlinDecade}} or {{Japanyear2}}? I think both you and I would be happy that way, and so would that anon IP address whose edits you reverted. 158.106.52.10 19:04, 3 September 2025 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks for your input on this. As I have only recently completed the major standardisation process for all Dutch municipalities, I will not be doing this in the near future. However, I understand your point, especially with regard to the uniformity of the categories by year and by century. I will keep this in mind for future adjustments. Best Regards, Fantaglobe11 (talk) 14:28, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

But do you think we can use {{Decade by category}} instead of {{Places by decade}} on a category's page, as long as that category also has {{Gemeenten in Groningen}} (or any of the other category navigational templates for municipalities in the Netherlands)? 158.106.52.10 18:03, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I have already seen your edits. They look really good to me. I appreciate your effort on this. Keep going like this! You can also completely remove the old template, it is not necessary to put it into <!-- -->. Thanks for your help! Fantaglobe11 (talk) 18:47, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

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